Sorry, I thought I was clear but I guess not. I'm using the built-in framework that comes with VFP7 (not a third party framework). Can't use my personal license of a third-party framework at work and I am still working on convincing them to get a good third-party framework (basically waiting for funds). My choice will remain VFE until I see something better, but until all of this comes to pass, I've been working with the VFP7 built-in framework at work. Hence my stumbling around.......