>A stop sign is there so you will stop, not decide if you want to stop or not.

A stop sign exists so we can navigate the road safely. There is no other reason for having a stop sign. Having a law just to have a law makes no sense, and, it should be a red flag that the Government for the people is not doing its job.

Police officers who protect and serve agree with me.

>If it is 'better' or 'more right' to allow people to hold themselves above the law than not, again, that's just anarchy IMO.

I'm not holding myself above the law, I'm respecting why that sign is there, and doing my part as a citizen so everyone else can be safe on the roads.

I don't respect why drug laws exist, since they have for little reason and logic behind them.

>Actually, I don't have the kinds of friends who live in fear of the law Mike. At least not that I know of. <g> I'm guessing from this sentence that you do. That's their own fault I suppose.

You probably don't think any of your friends live in fear of the law because they do a good job at hiding their harmless activities from the outside world. Unfortunately, thats most people's only option.

>Not the point. The point is whether it does or not, not whether it does more or not.

In order to create consitant, fair laws it is 100% rellevant and required.

>Yes, you are quite correct - it can be a lot of fun. Is it right, or good or desireable though?

Is it right? I think so, but thats what we are discussing. :-)

>That's too bad. And it doesn't change the facts but only proves them. If you didn't have something going on inside as a reaction you wouldn't have reacted. That you reacted in pretty much the expected fashion only proves that there is something inside that reacts to these words. I didn't make you have this reaction.

Thats what xtians use as a reason for believing these days? This is scary.

>So you do have a faith then? Just that your god is a man-made creation? <g> Are you promoting a modern day version of emporer worship? <g> I have faith in God, not government that's for sure.. <g>

I could write an esaay in response to this. Do I have faith? "Faith: Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing." If I live in America, I sure as hell want to believe in the value and trustworthyness of my Governement! Like I said, I don't have that faith, and in order to get it, they have to change a couple things first.

Whats the difference between having faith in god and governement? Well, I can not go to church if I loose my faith. If I loose faith in my country, I have to leave the country, this is something I've considered for quite a while (I'm thinking about being a Canuck with Evan in Vancouver), but I'll wait to see if America can get its laws back in order before I do. Also, the government is real, and effects my life, day to day. I've seen no evidence that god has that same power.

>I think that the definition of the word 'freedom' here is a huge difference. I define it as "The ability to NOT do something" whereas I think yourdefinition would be along the lines of "The ability TO do something." Am I close?

Yes. For example, my "good little chirstian" post. Why do people believe that they can't do certain things while on earth? That seems like a crime to me.

>IOW, I think it takes more strength to have self control than not.

I have self control. Taking a recreational drug is not the lack of control. Being powerless to take a recreational drug (inlcuding alcohol and nicotine) is.

Fortunately for you, you don't need control, you have religion to do that for you *sigh*

>I've enjoyed this Mike.

Me too.