>between the DE's INIT and the form's INIT. How can I tell which object is >the first to fire its init? I need to trace through from this point to find >my problem... >>>> >Ken, try putting > >wait window this.name nowait > Wouldn't something like debugout this.name debugout seconds() be more helpful - wait...nowait statements will just flash one after another (the chances are that you will see the one that takes long enough). At least, debug output window should be able to scroll back, so one can investigate the firing sequence (mr Init, you're fired :).