>I disagree with your opinion. Here is some evidence to support the position that fox is not dead, but in instead alive, and apparently growing.
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>1) There are more VFP magazines now that ever

There are only two and their respective subscription rates have continually declined...

>2) There are more VFP conferences now than ever

At one point, we two major shows and 2 or 3 regional shows in 1 year. So, this statement is false. Further, conference attendance has declined...

>3) UT is a major VFP site and it continues to set records in its VFP forum

Only shows that there is a lot of activity INSIDE the community. This is not evidence of growth...

>4) VFP user groups appear to be increasing

Appear yes - but in fact, the numbers are way down. 10 years ago, there were over 100 members in the philadelphia group - which has long been defunct. This is but 1 example but I am sure it would not be difficult to find other examples.

There appear to be attempts at starting new groups. How successful they will be remains to be seen.

As far as new groups are concerned, it in no way supports your premise the community or market is growing..

>5) User group activity appears to be increasing

Activity is not evidence of growth...

>6) The Fox team is working on the next version of VFP, code-named Toledo

Working on the next version is not evidence of growth...

>7) Steve Balmer, the top man at Microsoft has endorsed VFP
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/prodinfo/ballmer.asp

His primary message was a commitment to the community. You cannot get past the second sentence when he mentions .NET.... Watch the video and/or read the transcript again...

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8) VFP has a higher profile within Microsoft. This is evidenced by the MVP summit. The Foxpro community was referenced several times during the event and Ken Levy had a (2 hour?) presentation on VFP webservices and the FoxPro community

Although Ken did show the UT, Wiki, etc, Ken's presentation was on communities in general. It was not a presentation on what VFP can specifically do. In other words, he was not selling VFP per se, but rather, he was selling the concept of communities. No matter how much you or Whil in his Dec 2001 FoxTalk editoral want to twist this, it will not change what really happened...

As far as a higher profile in MS is concerned, assuming this is true, what evidence of growth does this provide...???

>9) VFP has a higher profile outside of Microsoft. This is evidenced by the cover story on MSDN magazine, announcement in MSDN flash newsletters, links on the Microsoft main page, links on the MSDN main page, the Microsoft store, the MSDN download section.

MSDN, the MSDN magazine, the MS homepage, and all related items are actually inside, not outside MS.... If you are going to argue this point, you really have to start outside of MS

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10) There are more high traffic VFP websites than ever. The UT, FoxWiki, VFUG, West-Wind and others.
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Again, how does this evidence growth. It is like more user groups. In the end, does it mean there are more people? I don't think so.


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FoxPro was one of the biggest if not the biggest dev environments in the late 80's early 90's and has shrunk to a more modest slice of the pie.
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This statement contradicts your growth argument...


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It would appear that this slice is at least stable, but perhaps growing in the last few years.
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At least stable but perhaps growing????? Cmon Evan... It is kind of like saying that in the previous 5 years, you lost a million dollars playing black jack, in the last 6 months, you have broken even and in the very recent past, you are up 10,000. Are you up 10K or down 990,000????

Instead of ignoring all of my replies, why don't you respond and defend your position???