yes, it does use a DE. is there anything there that will stop a form from loading?

i will have to check the service pack, and that will monday before i can.
i will have to get back to you on that.

return .f. from load will cause the form not to load, thats why i mentioned i forced a return .t.

this is from the help file.
"To prevent a form from being created, return false (.F.) from the Load event; the Destroy event will not be executed."

Thanks!