>You know.. It's going to be fun some day to meet you F2F and really give this discussion the time it deserves. <g> Plus we may be a little better at avoiding the problematical misreadings of each others responses..

Come to Minnesota. As your brain freezes you'll quickly realize that no god would put a human in the tundra that is my home. *g*

>What I'm attempting to do here is point out that infinity = both 'unlimited knowledge' and 'Knowing everything' and that man, being intrinsically finite, simply can never totally 'get there'.

Once again, you substitued the word "knowledge" for "intelligence" and addressed something copmletely differnt than what I said.

For conversations sake, can I define either of those words? Sure. Can I explain the meaning of them? No, not yet anyways, maybe never, but I know there's a difference.

>You're anthropomorphising heavily here.. And in public too! <g>

I've never said that god does not exist. In fact, I'm very open to deism (I don't believe in it, I just think its an interesting mindset). Anyways, while I don't believe in either, I just wanted to point of the difference between an all knowing god, and an intelligent god.

But I don't want to get into revealed religion in this conversation.

>Well, as I've said, I think that man has nowhere near reached his capacity to learn - just that he (mankind) will never reach the infinite 'level'.

I noticed you used quotes around level, but it still needs a response: there is not "infinte level". Thats what makes infinite infinite and intelligence intelligence.

>IOW, how can one make an statement absolutely asserting they know nothing is definite?

Where did I assert this?

>Well, as to whether or not I am more of a dreamer than you I'd like your definition of the word.

In this context, it meant that believing for some reason, that there HAS to be hope. You said there has to be and thats why the starting point coudln't have been human. There doesn't need to be hope for humans. We can simply just be.

>However, don't confuse my expresisons of confidence and hope as dreams.

Until you can prove that hope* is a required peice of life, I will simply consider it the same as a dream.

*hope = absolute confidence as oppsed to simply wishing something to be true

>Omniscience (omni - all, science - knowledge) is the technical definition of God's level of knowledge.

Which means very little to me. If I believed it, you'd have a point. Sorry if thats rude, but its the truth.

>I had a nice, quiet evening. Smoked chicken, BBQ beans, potato salad and a lemon merangue pie.

Sounds like fun. BBQ beans? Would that be the same as baked beans or porkn' beans?

>Ahh.. But you have made some claims now haven't you? <g> "nothing is definite" comes to mind.

Where and when? I may have made that generalization in another thread, however, I dont' recall saying anything to that effect here. I certainly don't believe that.