I'm going nuts with these grid controls. No matter what one I try uing I cannot get it to just sit there and display a header row. It tells me that rows must be one greater then fixed rows every time. I want my grid to show the different header values without having to have a row loaded first. I think it looks tacky having just an empty grid sitting there. I know 3rd party OCXs will allow you to do this (as I have done so in the past), but is it not possible using the VB SP components?