>Why would this mean anything at all? I cannot see or think of a single framework in the C++ or prior VB areas, or any other competitor in that very general category. In other words, who or what came second? The fragmentation and overall paucity of frameworks on the C++, VB, and java-side makes this the non-news event of the day.

>
>What's more telling is that VS.NET finishes fourth in the "Languages and Development Environments" category behind IntelliJ IDEA, Borland Delphi 6/Kylix 2, and Borland JBuilder.

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Warning! Long message, thread drift...

I'll get much more serious with .NET when serious business frameworks appear within .NET.

Attached below is a newsletter sent to me, which I forwarded to our local VFP user group board.

I think you'll find it interesting...

Bill Anderson

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Subject: PDSA May Newsletter

Somehow I ended up on Paul Sheriff's mailing list. He is or was the leader for the VB user group in OC.

Chuck Williams and I used to go to the OC meetings early Saturday morning. In 1994 I asked him "what about FoxPro?". He went on as to how FoxPro was old news and VB was technically superior, blah blah... I just filed it away in my head as such MSFTspeak...

Anyway, they're publicizing a new .Net framework in this newsletter. Sounds okay...slowly scroll down and read what you will "get" -- and then reach the price.

Think they could get away with this in the VFP world?

Bill Anderson

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PDSA, Inc. Newsletter
Published: May 6, 2002
==================================================
Welcome to the May, 2002 edition of the PDSA Newsletter. We hope you enjoy this
newsletter and we look forward to your feedback. This month's issue has
information about .NET products and training classes that PDSA is offering and
some great .NET Tips & Tricks.

Contents:
1). PDSA ASP.NET Base Framework
2). PDSA Web Authoring System
3). New! "ASP.NET Architecture Workshop"
4). Attend the Microsoft "VS.NET Training Tour"
5). .NET Books
6). PDSA .NET Jumpstart Training
7). On Site .NET Training Available
8). Paul speaks at OC and San Diego User Groups
9). Tips & Tricks
10). Wrap Up

********************************************************
* 1). PDSA ASP.NET Base Framework
********************************************************
PDSA has just released an ASP.NET Base Framework that helps developers build an
ASP.NET application in a fraction of the time it would normally take them. You
will get a great UI standard, security system, menu system, and complete n-tier
architecture from which to build your applications. A copy of the PDSA Toolset
is included to help you generate .NET data classes. For more information and a
demo, contact Michael Krasowski at (714) 734-9792 or visit www.pdsa.com/products


********************************************************
* 2). PDSA Web Authoring System
********************************************************
PDSA has just written a web authoring system completely in .NET. This product
was just used for TransAmerica's new retirement web site, and is now being used
to rebuild the PDSA.COM web site. This system is very similar to Microsoft's
CMS system, but does not create a complete site. You still need a developer to
put the first few pages and site navigation in place. Other than that, this is
one of the first 100% .NET web-content applications that we have seen. For more
information and a demo, contact Michael Krasowski at (714) 734-9792 or visit
www.pdsa.com/products.


********************************************************
* 3). New! "ASP.NET Architecture Workshop"
********************************************************
PDSA has created a new 2 day WorkShop to help companies get a great head start
on their first .NET application. This workshop covers how to build an ASP.NET
Base Framework. In fact, you will actually get a copy of our Base Framework
when you attend this workshop.

What you will learn
-------------------
-How to build a great framework using ASP.NET.
-How to track users and errors in ASP.NET.
-How to structure and create n-tier applications using the PDSA Toolset
-You will create your own application complete with security and a menuing
system in ASP.NET.

What you will get!
------------------
-PDSA's expert .NET instruction and mentoring
-Breakfast, gourmet lunch, all the sodas and snacks you can eat for up to 2
people in your company!
-You will build an application during these two days
-The PDSA ASP.NET Base Framework © that includes:
- n-tier architecture
- Menu System
- Data driven Security system
- Login Page
- Error Handling system
- User Tracking system
- SQL Server 2000 database supporting the framework
- Data access class library
- User controls
- Server Controls
- Security for users and roles
- Maintenance screens for commonly used tables
- All the source code to the base framework
- A copy of the PDSA Toolset for generating n-tier data classes.
- A complete ASP.NET application illustrating "best practices" for business web
applications.
- An autographed copy of "ASP.NET Developers Jumpstart" book by Paul D. Sheriff
& Ken Getz
- A copy of the eBook "Architecting ASP.NET Applications" by Paul D. Sheriff
- Several .NET white papers in PDF format
- A great head-start on your working application

Where/When/Cost
---------------
Price: $9,995.00 (up to 2 people in your company may attend*)
Location: PDSA, Inc.
17852 E. 17th Street, Suite 205, Tustin, CA 92780

Dates:
June 3 - 4, 2002
July 15 - 16, 2002
August 12 - 13, 2002


********************************************************
* 4). Attend the Microsoft "VS.NET Training Tour"
********************************************************
PDSA, Inc. and Microsoft present the "VS.NET Training Tour" in Burbank and
Irvine this June! This 2-day event features Paul D. Sheriff & Ken Getz as your
hosts. Over the course of 2 days, you will be given an overview of what .NET
can do for you. Make plans to attend one of these conferences to get you
started on .NET the right way.

Dates:
June 10-11 in Burbank
June 24-25 in Irvine

Cost: $399 before May 10 ($499 after May 10)

For more info and to sign up: http://www.pdsa.com/trainingevents/microsoft


********************************************************
* 5). .NET Books
********************************************************
Paul currently has 2 books available for .NET.

"ASP.NET Developer's Jumpstart" by Addison-Wesley publishing
- Co-authored with Ken Getz
- For more info visit the PDSA Web Site Home Page at www.pdsa.com

"Architecting ASP.NET Applications" eBook by PDSA, Inc.
- Go to www.pdsa.com/ebooks for more information and to order


********************************************************
* 6). PDSA .NET Jumpstart Training (Training for the Real-World)
********************************************************

PDSA, Inc. offers "Training for the Real World(C)". These training courses
teach you just what you need to know - to get your applications started in
.NET. We will show you the best ways to handle application development in both
.NET Desktop and ASP.NET.

PDSA will be offering our popular .NET courses over the next several months.

ASP.NET Development - 5 days of Web Development using ASP.NET - 3 dates for
Southern California

* June 17 - 21, 2002 - Los Angeles / Irvine
* June 24 - 28, 2002 - Seattle / Bellevue (new location!)
* August 19 - 23, 2002 - Los Angeles / Irvine

VB.NET Jumpstart - 3 days of desktop/winforms development using VB.NET - 2
dates for Southern California

* May 29 - 31, 2002 - Los Angeles / Irvine
* July 15 - 17, 2002 - Los Angeles / Irvine

Check our web site (http://www.pdsa.com/trainingevents) for exact locations and
sign ups. Or you can call PDSA, Inc. for more information call (888) 899-7372.

**NOTE: These dates and locations are subject to change. Check our website for
the latest announcements.


********************************************
* 7). On Site .NET Training Available
********************************************

Interested in having us come on-site for this training? If you have a group of
6 or more programmers that you wish to get trained in .NET then you will want
to have PDSA, Inc. send an instructor to your site. We can do lecture based or
hands-on training at your facility. We can customize a course with the .NET
topics you are interested in, or present our course as-is. We will provide all
the books, samples, and instructor. You simply provide the students and the
facility.

Contact us at (888) 899-7372 for more information and to schedule training. Ask
for Michael.

****************************************************
* 8). Paul speaks at OC and San Diego User Groups
****************************************************

Paul will be speaking at the following user groups this month:

-May 7th at the San Diego VB User Group (http://www.sdvbug.org/)

-May 14th at the OC Visual Basic User Group Meeting (http://www.ocvbug.org)

****************************************************
* 9). Tips & Tricks - Reading controls in a Web Page
****************************************************

I have had a lot of people ask me how to loop through all the controls on a web
page. It is actually very similar to looping through controls in a VB6 program,
except that you need to remember that all of the server controls are embedded
within the
control which is a server control as well. So the first thing you have
to do is to find the control of the type "HtmlForm". Once you have the
index of this control, you can now loop through all the controls within
this control as shown in the following ReadControls procedure. Private
Sub ReadControls() Dim ctl As Control Dim intIndex As Integer ' First
find the Form object For Each ctl In Page.Controls If ctl.GetType Is
GetType(Web.UI.HtmlControls.HtmlForm) Then intIndex =
Page.Controls.IndexOf(ctl) Exit For End If Next ' Loop through all
controls within Form Control ' which is at Postion 1 in the Controls
Collection For Each ctl In Page.Controls.Item(intIndex).Controls If
ctl.GetType Is GetType(TextBox) Then Response.Write(CType(ctl,
TextBox).ID & " = ") Response.Write(CType(ctl, TextBox).Text & "
") End If Next ' You may also access a control directly using
FindControl Response.Write("
") Response.Write(CType(Page.Controls.Item(1).FindControl("TextBox2"),
TextBox).Text) End Sub You need to check the type of each control by
using the GetType method on the control. You compare it using the
GetType() function of a specific type like TextBox. You will need to
cast each control to a specific type before you access any of its
properties. You do this using the CType() function.
******************************************** * 10). Wrap Up
******************************************** That is all for this month.
Keep watching the PDSA web site as we are continually adding new
offerings. As always, if you need help getting started with your .NET
projects, please contact us at info@pdsa.com or call at (714) 734-9792.
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