>>> Think they could get away with this in the VFP world?
>
>No :-)
>
>As we all know, a business application framework is one of those things whose maturation cannot be rushed, or just wished into being. In the VFP world, all our framework vendors deliver unbelievable bang for the money, and they all have years of evolution behind them, and they all have great peer support networks.
>
>By the sounds of this, this company is delivering unlimited soda and donuts for two, a demo of a beta, and insight on how to maybe roll your own framework, for just $9,995.00

>>> Don't forget your autographed copy of the book!!!!! <<<

>Without a local data engine for metadata, this must be a sweet product <s>.
>
>**--** Steve
>
>
>
>>>Why would this mean anything at all? I cannot see or think of a single framework in the C++ or prior VB areas, or any other competitor in that very general category. In other words, who or what came second? The fragmentation and overall paucity of frameworks on the C++, VB, and java-side makes this the non-news event of the day.
>>
>>>
>>>What's more telling is that VS.NET finishes fourth in the "Languages and Development Environments" category behind IntelliJ IDEA, Borland Delphi 6/Kylix 2, and Borland JBuilder.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Warning! Long message, thread drift...
>>
>>I'll get much more serious with .NET when serious business frameworks appear within .NET.
>>
>>Attached below is a newsletter sent to me, which I forwarded to our local VFP user group board.
>>
>>I think you'll find it interesting...
>>
>>Bill Anderson
>>
>>--
>>Subject: PDSA May Newsletter
>>
>>Somehow I ended up on Paul Sheriff's mailing list. He is or was the leader for the VB user group in OC.
>>
>>Chuck Williams and I used to go to the OC meetings early Saturday morning. In 1994 I asked him "what about FoxPro?". He went on as to how FoxPro was old news and VB was technically superior, blah blah... I just filed it away in my head as such MSFTspeak...
>>
>>Anyway, they're publicizing a new .Net framework in this newsletter. Sounds okay...slowly scroll down and read what you will "get" -- and then reach the price.
>>
>>Think they could get away with this in the VFP world?
>>
>>Bill Anderson
>>
>>----
>>
>>PDSA, Inc. Newsletter
>>Published: May 6, 2002
>>==================================================
>>Welcome to the May, 2002 edition of the PDSA Newsletter. We hope you enjoy this
>>newsletter and we look forward to your feedback. This month's issue has
>>information about .NET products and training classes that PDSA is offering and
>>some great .NET Tips & Tricks.
>>
>>Contents:
>>1). PDSA ASP.NET Base Framework
>>2). PDSA Web Authoring System
>>3). New! "ASP.NET Architecture Workshop"
>>4). Attend the Microsoft "VS.NET Training Tour"
>>5). .NET Books
>>6). PDSA .NET Jumpstart Training
>>7). On Site .NET Training Available
>>8). Paul speaks at OC and San Diego User Groups
>>9). Tips & Tricks
>>10). Wrap Up
>>
>>********************************************************
>>* 1). PDSA ASP.NET Base Framework
>>********************************************************
>>PDSA has just released an ASP.NET Base Framework that helps developers build an
>>ASP.NET application in a fraction of the time it would normally take them. You
>>will get a great UI standard, security system, menu system, and complete n-tier
>>architecture from which to build your applications. A copy of the PDSA Toolset
>>is included to help you generate .NET data classes. For more information and a
>>demo, contact Michael Krasowski at (714) 734-9792 or visit www.pdsa.com/products
>>
>>
>>********************************************************
>>* 2). PDSA Web Authoring System
>>********************************************************
>>PDSA has just written a web authoring system completely in .NET. This product
>>was just used for TransAmerica's new retirement web site, and is now being used
>>to rebuild the PDSA.COM web site. This system is very similar to Microsoft's
>>CMS system, but does not create a complete site. You still need a developer to
>>put the first few pages and site navigation in place. Other than that, this is
>>one of the first 100% .NET web-content applications that we have seen. For more
>>information and a demo, contact Michael Krasowski at (714) 734-9792 or visit
>>www.pdsa.com/products.
>>
>>
>>********************************************************
>>* 3). New! "ASP.NET Architecture Workshop"
>>********************************************************
>>PDSA has created a new 2 day WorkShop to help companies get a great head start
>>on their first .NET application. This workshop covers how to build an ASP.NET
>>Base Framework. In fact, you will actually get a copy of our Base Framework
>>when you attend this workshop.
>>
>>What you will learn
>>-------------------
>>-How to build a great framework using ASP.NET.
>>-How to track users and errors in ASP.NET.
>>-How to structure and create n-tier applications using the PDSA Toolset
>>-You will create your own application complete with security and a menuing
>>system in ASP.NET.
>>
>>What you will get!
>>------------------
>>-PDSA's expert .NET instruction and mentoring
>>-Breakfast, gourmet lunch, all the sodas and snacks you can eat for up to 2
>>people in your company!
>>-You will build an application during these two days
>>-The PDSA ASP.NET Base Framework © that includes:
>>- n-tier architecture
>>- Menu System
>>- Data driven Security system
>>- Login Page
>>- Error Handling system
>>- User Tracking system
>>- SQL Server 2000 database supporting the framework
>>- Data access class library
>>- User controls
>>- Server Controls
>>- Security for users and roles
>>- Maintenance screens for commonly used tables
>>- All the source code to the base framework
>>- A copy of the PDSA Toolset for generating n-tier data classes.
>>- A complete ASP.NET application illustrating "best practices" for business web
>>applications.
>>- An autographed copy of "ASP.NET Developers Jumpstart" book by Paul D. Sheriff
>>& Ken Getz
>>- A copy of the eBook "Architecting ASP.NET Applications" by Paul D. Sheriff
>>- Several .NET white papers in PDF format
>>- A great head-start on your working application
>>
>>Where/When/Cost
>>---------------
>>Price: $9,995.00 (up to 2 people in your company may attend*)
>>Location: PDSA, Inc.
>>17852 E. 17th Street, Suite 205, Tustin, CA 92780
>>
>>Dates:
>>June 3 - 4, 2002
>>July 15 - 16, 2002
>>August 12 - 13, 2002