Alex,

I'll give you a couple short answers. Other than that we should move to Chatter...

>>>I hit them with
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>>>God is all powerful. <--Omnipotence
>>>Therefore there is nothing he cannot do. ditto
>>>Therefore he cannot ask himself a question he cannot answer. <-- Omniscience
>>>Therefore he is not all powerful. Since He knows the answer already there's no need to ask. <g>
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>>>Hard to "why" your way out of that one.
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>>>Regards
>>>
>>>JR
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>>I think you've mixed up two traits of God here. <s>
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>I hate this one to go into a pissing contest with again, but you had to answer John, didn't you?

LOL..

All in the interest of education and enlightenment. <s>

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>Logically, as John showed you cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient at the same time.


>If you know everything then you know the whole future forever.

Time has no bearing on this knowledge. The past, present and future are all 'now'. You and I are 'stuck' in time; God is not.

>Everything is according to your plan as you foresaw everything.

True. God's plans cannot be cicrumvented. He is sovereign.

>So you cannot change anything that you didn't foresee.

If God knows everything there is nothing unforeseen. You error by presuming God doesn't know something.

>There fore you don't have the power to change.

There's nothing to change or perhaps more correctly you and I don't know if there's anything to change. Besides, there's also nothing stopping God from inserting Himself into time at any juncture. Your point above is moot. Not only that, how do you or I with our very limited knowledge even know when God may or may not be moving in the affairs of mankind? We don't.

>Therefore you are not omnipotent.

Wrong. You placed limits on God and then defined Him down, as it were.

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>OTOH if you are omnipotent, you have the power to make changes to the future to correct any mistakes or adjust any variables. But if you made mistakes and did not foresee those changes then you are not omniscient.
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>Or you could think about what happens when an immovable object is met by an irresistible force.
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>Don't bother to answer because:
>a) this is not the right section for this discussion
>b) you and simple logic don't mix together too well. Kinda oil and vinegar, ykwim?

Don't bother to answer as you don't know God, ykwim? You can. If you choose. <s>