Okay I got the business object thing and the data environment. Last problem: When I createobj(objname) at the command line for the first time it is asking me for the database name? The dbc is my own that I added to the framework project. I added the record in the metadbc.dbf with it's full path I can resolve the problem by opening the databasecontainer 1st but that won't work if I need to drop the bizobj on a form? What could be wrong...as always thanks so much.