i only use dynamic layouts unless im doing Q&D of something special. It of course took me a long time to build the framework that does that but I have a programatic process for building the dbf that feeds the forms as well as several special contol classes that allow me to provide easy tesing and validation of data. the structure is also multitiered so that the rules associated with any app can be kept seperate from the code driving the form building. be glad to share what i can in between keeping business going.