Tracy;

Strange! I understood what you said so I guess we are both in trouble! :)

Tom

>OOPS. I did not intend to suggest that he was not a 'good' programmer because he uses the wizards. I believe that I actually stated that in effect he WAS a good programmer because he met the customer's business needs which is what counts.
>I only meant that for himself and his future, he may want to consider 'working outside the box' and not using the wizards. There are programming shops that do not allow the programmers to use the wizards at all. It is no different than programming in VFP using one framework and never working in vanilla VFP. What happens if the company you work for goes out of business, downsizes, etc and you end up working for a company that either uses a different framework or no framework at all? His BEST bet is to be as comfortable as possible working with the wizards, without the wizards, and with frameworks. That is only protecting his future. It has nothing really to do with being a 'good' programmer or not. I agree that the term 'good programmer' is entirely subjective.
>I guess I did not express myself very well!
>Tracy
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>>job you learn that you must NOT use the wizards? Will you be able to create an application without using the wizards? Something to keep in mind.
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>>>Tracy
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>>Um, would a carpenter be able to create a house without a hammer? Perhaps, should he? Would you be able to create an application without VFP?
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>>For the most part, programmers are judged by the end result rather than the methods and tools used. I generally think this is how it should be.
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>>But, as someone said, if you use best practice methods, such as the simple one of seperating UI from business logic, and this means when you upgrade or maintain your app it takes you less time.
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>>There is alot of 'subjective' to 'good programmer.'
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>>BOb