>>>I wondered the same thing. Yes, ProMatrix users to separate themselves. >>They even have there own News Server so you don't have to use the >>microsoft one.
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>I didn't realise it was a crime to have your own newsgroups.

??? I wasn't suggesting that there was.

>>>As I said before I've used both ProMatrix & MaxFrame. What I found was the >>ProMatrix runs 'on top' of VFP - so to speak. Without going into a bunch >>of detail here, my problems with ProMatrix where that 1) Not flexable at >>all, and 2) It doesnt even use the VFP DBC! and 3) It prevents you from >>using many of VFP features. It is these last 2 reasons whey I think >>they've separated themsevles.
>What ? Not flexable enough - what for ? VPM does use the VFP DBC and I am not aware of any VFP features you can't use. But I guess I have been only using Fox products since the 80s so what would I know <g>.

Ok it allows use of the DBC but uses its own extended stuff that you have to setup on yer own in order to get the form development side of it too work. And as far as being "flexable" you're not going to ever convince me that this RAD tool is more flexable that a framework. But what do I know I've only been a programmer since 1981 when I was first hired at age 15 - of course I wasn't using and pc's or fox products until a couple of years after that.

>Wrong again - sorry. I use SourceSafe without the additional $ module. I am sure it offers some additional features but I don't need them.

Yes & I was able to acomplish this as well...of course promatrix likes you to use their project manager & not so much the VFP one so yeah you can get it to work...with a few extra steps EVERY time you want to checkin-checkout.

>>>Once a ProMatrix user started asking questions out here it would become >>obvious that their application was simply designed poorly.
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>Well I am glad that a non ProMatrix user is making statements so at least we poor VPM users can give the correct answers <g>.

I've written a few Promatrix apps becuase that is what I was told to make the app with. Luckly I'd used other frameworks prior to this and was able to compare.


>>>As for WHY ProMatrix has these issues - I think that the author (or >>authors) of the thing were really more 2.6 foxpro people - they didnt >>grasp the concept of DBC and views - and therefor left them out....and >>looking a ProMatrix to fix that problem is a complete re-write.
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>Speaking as someone who has 50000 users on a VPM application exclusively using views I find this comment very funny.

...50,000 users? Impressive.

>>>Their product will draw too much critism from the rest of the VFP >>community, and in the interest of their own survival this is how they >>handled it.
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>I agree the product should get out more as there is clearly alot of false information floating around <g>.

And perhaps if they get more involved with the VFP community they can make a better product.

>>> How about most ProMatrix users are hobbiest, not professionals - that >>would be more fitting.
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>You could be right but I am quite happy with my VPM application on 4500 sites selling at $4,000 a go. It is great being a hobbiest but I hope to be a professional one day but I can't afford the pay cut <g>.

Well glad you didnt take THAT personally...

>>>Last time I checked you couldn't even log on to their news-server without >>buying there product....again I belive this to be part of their survival >>tacktics.
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>Sorry - wrong again.

Oh yeah..you can log into the news-server, you just can join most of the newsgroups in there...

>>>Now with that being said I hope I haven't offended anyone.
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>Not at all. I have found it all very funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Yeah I can tell.
Geeze sorry I ever brought it up. Look.... VPM = RAD tool. VMP = Framework. Now I've written apps in both of these, and IMO it's a slam dunk which one is better for the experienced VFP developer.

>Regards,
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>Aaron