Fernando,

>Excuse me for jumping in:
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>>I wonder how long the palistinians would survive if the U.S. were not involved...
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>I wonder how long the israeli would survive if the U.S. were not involved. Remember the Gulf war? Sadan's missiles just didn't blast Israel because of US suplied Patriots salvage devices and the like.

They'd survive. They have nuclear weapons and will use them if attacked. If Sadam were to first shoot a missle into Israel with, say, some of the powdered milk <g> he's been working on and cause great harm to Israel I supposed he'd not live out the week. Israel is surely not guiltless in all of this but at least they're not sending their children off to blow themselves up.

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>>I do wonder what the world's political picture would be like if we had not in the past.
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>Me too. Well we had the Greeks and the Romans, also we had the Arabs to take Europe out of barbarity and..., but sure that doesn't count :)

The Arabs took Europe out of barbarity?? Yopu mean like all of their advanced cultures we see around the world today? <g> Yessiree.. Give the women a good blue burkah, keep them at home and out of school and if they show do something you don't like just gang rape them. That'll move society forward I'm sure...


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>Fernando