I just recently bumped up to Crystal 8.5. I noticed that there is no crystl32.OCX control on the CD so I'm guessing that they want you to step up to the "new way". I seen it mentioned here before but I can't recall what it is or where to get started. I see that with 8.5 they also got rid of the developer's help file. Where can this information now be located? I would like to convert my current OCX reports to whatever the best method is. Thanks for the hand.