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>But is it up or down from levels of 5-8 years ago? How about the aggregate numbers of groups. The philly group had 200 people on the list. Today, that group has been defunct for at least 5 years now...
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Gee, John, you were the one who earlier clearly states "Reports from various user groups indicate that many are going through it now."

What reports from various user groups are you talking about? The ones you personally fabricate as you are typing?

User groups that deliver value thrive, and conversely user groups that don't eventually die. It's really as simple as that, and it has little to do with VFP's viability or its prospects, unless one is looking to fabricate plausible-sounding cause-and-effect arguments for the purpose of butteressing clairvoyant pronouncements.

**--** Steve