Thanks again Bonnie, I'm reading the quickstart tutorials at gotdotnet.com, everything there seems to be done without the IDE so I guess I should find all I'm looking for in there.

>Yeah, that'll work just fine, although you'll more than likely data-bind a text object on your form to the data objects columns, so you won't actually need to assign the text box's value to the DataSet's columns. You can do that in the property sheet or in code. Oh yeah, I forgot you're not using the IDE. Hmmm ... well then, I guess you'll need to data-bind in code. There's examples in various help stuff on how to do that.
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