>> JBP: I think what ticks Steve off is that others that feel like him don't take me on.

That's another fabrication. What ticks me off is not that there aren't enough people slapping you around (there clearly is, or haven't you noticed?) it's that you're a chronic fabricator, and I feel compelled to challenge the odious crap that you seemingly constantly come up with.

>> JBP: This bad era started when I would continually promote Data Clas. This bad era started when I would continually promote Data Clas. The accusation was that I had a "pecuniary" interest and that it was not ethical for me to promote the product without full disclosure. Both Paddock and Duffy came up here to clear the record that I had zero interest in DataClas/VFP. To this date, Steve has not recanted. For a guy who lobs ethical charges, it seems to me that ethical people stand up and hold themselves accountable when they are wrong. I have always tried to do this myself.


Again, that's a fabrication. The bad era started long before that. Moreover I don't believe either Jim Duffy or Rod Paddock when they say you've got no pecuniary interest in DataClas. Bullsh*t. That there is no Quid Pro Quo going on, no Habesne Plus Vini going on, is a con job, and I don't buy it. You've admitted to your contributions to DataClas -- the COM version maybe? Whatever. You're inside the circle, you've stood inside the trade show booth, you're all close personal friends, and you've otherwise all collaborated together in many respects, including long projects and long books, for some time now. Had you any ethics, one of the things you would do is disclose *something* about your superordinary relationships with these guys whenever you say to unsuspecting people that they should consider buying DataClas.


>> JBP: To give you an idea just how nuts all of this has become, a few years ago, if you asked Steve about me, he would tell you that I was somebody you should listen to. My posts and threads were always marked as must-reads by him. He may deny all of this now, but he had a rather high opinion of me.

John, please. That's a lie. I never *ever* thought you were anything but a jerk. What you say above is an *unbelievable* fabrication.

>> JBP: there is no reason to take things in an emotional/personal manner, which Steve has done.

Actually, it's viceral. It feels instinctually correct for me, in the occasional abscence of others not immediately doing so, to forcefully correct just the most glaring of the seemingly endless fabrications you project.

In a community where I submit to you that speakers should peer review speakers, authors should peer review authors, vendors should peer review vendors, MVPs should peer review MVPs, and the vets vet the vets, given all the greatness you self-project, the shadow you cast, the list of people who can reasonably be expected to stand up for what's right and say publicly that "John Petersen is a pathological liar", as I have done, is short. There aren't 50 people in the world who can stack their credentials against those you say you possess. But what's very telling is I personally know all those people, and in all this time, not one has ever called me to say, Steve, you're being a bit hard on John. Zero.

Please, stop bearing false witness. It's repugnant.

**--** Steve