I completely agree - most frameworks make it very easy to produce user-hostile applications.

>It's not VFP/ FP that users hate. It's those grid solutions they dislike. Lazy or inexperienced 'consultants' that present themselves as software developers, are using grids to solve a data transaction service.
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>I was talking to a prospect a few weeks back. He questioned my use of VFP as a development tool. He had not seen any of my projects. He said:
>"Oh yeah, fox pro is that program that has those frames (drawing a little box with his fingers in the air), we don't like those kinds of interfaces.
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>So blame the problem on con - artists or those developers that are under utilizing those frame-work products.
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>The problem is not foxpro - it's what the underskilled or un skilled 'consultants' are pushing to get that easy money from them end users by slaming a sloppy frame solution.
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>Perhaps an advantage of VB is the lack of proliferation of Frame-Tools. Imagine substituting a grid for a an interactive interface. Why do anything - just tell the user to enter data into Excel.
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>VFP developers should model their systems on popular, sexy desktop solutions rather than what they think they can get away with after a few hours piddleing around with a third party frame tool.
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>Any developer should learn how to write interactive interfaces and flow chart before they start pitching frame based solutions - they suck and they give VFP a bad name.
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>But thats just my opinion!
>RANT OFF
>>It seems that everywhere I go, folks hate FoxPro. The last comment I got was that it was a super version of a spreadsheet program.
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>>We have a totally FoxPro environment in one department that handles litterally $100 Billion dollars worth of transactions a year. It works fine. The accouting package in that department is SBT which is written in FoxPro. Still, the community at large hates the application. I really get beat up when I talk with Oracle and SQL Server guys.
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>>I mess around in SQL Server and Oracle. It seems to me that I have to buy and learn a third party product to get what I can get out of FoxPro. People have hated this product since I started using it in 1992. Hell Microsoft tried to push Access for years instead of Foxpro.
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>>I am just wondering if we should change everything to some other product
>>since the owners don't really endorse it fully.
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>>This is of course, just my opinion as I know it to be! ;-)