>Craig, thanks a lot for pointing out that very timely article. I have used 3rd party add-ons for error capture etc, but never a framework and feel like Tamar feels "it is like coding with gloves on". She does change her tune at the end of the article and gives frameworks an endorsement. Of course, several frameworks advertise in the magazine in which writes, that fact may have influenced her her positive tone in the last paragraph of the article.

Nope, the ads have nothing to do with it. (I don't even know which companies are advertising these days.) The column was more a case of me working out in writing what I'm feeling as I go through this exercise, and the bottom line is I know that the framework is worth the learning pain.

The "programming with gloves on" line jumped into my head one day as I was struggling to make something work, and started me thinking about the whole subject.

Tamar