Mike,

>>Could you clarify your question? Sorry I missed the point.
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>You said "Trying to change that would require changing human nature".
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>Whats so wrong with that, as long as we're changing human nature in a way to counter act another change in human nature (in this case, the introduction of alcohol)?

Nothing whatsoever, providing that a) we can change human nature and b) we know what is 'best'.

The problem historically Mike is that those philosophies (including Christianity misunderstood - in an intellectual sense) have tried to change human nature from the outside-in. Communism is a great example of this. They have a lot of great ideals but utterly failed to make them happen. Why> No power to change the human heart.

Secondly, in consideration of the notion that we would know what would be the best direction to change human nature (more drinking - less drinking - or some other behavior) that this would require some sort of objective standard.

Care to offer one that everyone will agree to? <g>

Ok.. Now force them to change. <bg>

You're on a fool's errand here it seems. Neither you nor I can force someone else to change and thinking you can, should or would makes you just as barbaric as all the rest. At some point you need to start with yourself first but it seems everyone always wants to change others first.

Yes, even Christians do this and it doesn't work for them just as it doesn't work for anyone else. <s>