Michel,

I sure don't want to make a rant of this. Also, I don't want to be negative or destructive. However, reading the discussion between you and Jim, I got kind of disturbed. This started after reading about 1. "excellent", 2. "everyone loves it" and 3. "look at Google". Let me, please, have these three phrases to get you a little feedback. Let's start with nr. 2 :

Everybody loves it. Right. Everybody loves what you are doing. And whether what you all did is at a 100 % does not really matter, because you do it anyhow. But, this does not mean that when you don't hear complaints that it is at the 100 %. It could even be 25.
This brings us to nr. 1, because if things are not at the 100 %, it's not excellent either. But still, it's better than 0 %, and it's still you doing it. This doesn't, however, imply that IF someone has a "complaint", it's legitimate to have the argument that others don't complain, and therefore it's 100 %, and so the one complaining must be wrong. It's an attitude you know.
Added to this, I appreciate Jim as a well meaning person, doing his very best for me, you, and all of us. In order to do his "work" at the 100 %, he is asking a few things. Now :

I don't know about you or any of the others, but it really doesn't need explicit explanation on what could be improved on the wish list facilities. And I know, this could be rather a subsystem by itself, really not suitable for the general UT functionalities which are already very specific at subjects. I think I fairly can say that when others don't have wishes on e.g. the wishlist's facilities, this very well might be because they don't use it like they should, or, like Jim NEEDS to use it. For the others this might mean duplicate entries, and for Jim this implies that he finds it too difficult to a. look for existing entries, and b. his refusal of adding duplicates himself. Now, all is okay, as long as YOU are willing to see this, and please be real, if I can see it all that easy, you can see it too.
This brings us to nr. 3.

The "mistake" you made, is mentioning Google as the example of how things work, can't work, etc. So here you go;
Only when you are able to "search" in the wishlist's descriptions like Google can, it's legitimate to reply to someone like Jim "don't be stupid ...". That's just what you did.
I am fairly sure that if you take the one day (or less) to implement the exact Google facilities on searching, Jim wouldn't have even started to ask you what he did (though still more can be asked for then).
It's really not that difficult. Not "IMO"; it just isn't. And you know it;

The sorting features on the grid are good, but I wouldn't use them (at all), if I were Jim looking for an entry already there. I'd only be using the search facility. But not the one from right now, because it really doesn't do the job as it could be. You said it yourself : Google. So just have Google as the example and copy its facilities. Here are some clues (which btw could be implemented in the normal forum search as well) :

- Expand the textbox for the search string.

- Search for complete words only (e.g. search for gig and don't come up with gigabyte).

- Search for each of the words entered, and only come up with texts that have all words in them. Not consecutive that is.

- Allow for quotes around words and look for those words to be consecutively in the text.

- Allow for a mix of strings with quotes and words without quotes.

- Eliminate unrelevant characters from the texts searched, and balance it with the search string. The comma, dot, (semi)colon are amongst them.

When the above is applied, most of the needs are met. But lastly, add this one :

- Allow for words to be preceeded with minus, in order to reject texts with those words (or quoted strings) in them.

This all can be done within one day of work easily, and it will hardly slow down the search process. If you open the result list in a new browser instance, you'll even gain on not having the search page to be reloaded again. It's more convenient too, because all the results remain available.
One thing : you may decide to present the result as one large list, instead of first 10 (or whatever) results only. If you do the latter, you may end up with more than one day of work. I'd say it's legitimate to limit the list to, say, 100 results.

Michel, again, this is not about staring a rant, but merely about asking you to spend, in fact, you free time fur us. Therefore it's my opinion that the expression of Jim "if you don't want to, just say it", is a rather normal question, which you can answer normally with "indeed, I don't want to".
So the (or anyway my) message is : this is not at a 100 %. But surely we don't complain, because all was - and is your time. Right ? Only if you say that it's all excellent, you encourage "complaining". Please understand that.
Anyway, surely I am not complaining, and instead just tried to help Jim. Helping Jim means helping you, you all, and in the end me. Just like Jim is helping you, you all, me and himself. Nothing wrong with that. Okay ?

Peter





>>Look Michel, if you do not want to change anything about the handling/processing of the Wish List entries, just say so - DO NOT bring up things (like provide references) when I've already told you that these cannot be reliably provided with the poor search capability of this list; DO NOT argue "opinion" because all items like this are "opinion"; the list as it exists is "excellent" in the absence of any other list but I sure can't see people saying that it is perfect and does not need any change at all.
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>Your reflection on all this is really negative. You keep pushing against us on a variety of topics and especially that one. This particular one is more complicated to adjust as this is not our own decision. As for making prior references to your historic on TT, this is also not necessary. It's not because yours have been tagged as pending or on hold or whatever the status is that would mean that we do not want to do it. UT is not a simple option that you can just turn on check on and have a variety of new wishes such as you expressed. This is an enormous engine and everything has to be taken with care.