Thanks Nadya as I said in my original message I was trying not to have to do the delayed instantiation bit.

But I agree that the controls appear to be loading even if the page isn't so I may have to go that route after all.

I guess that returning .F. in the controls init is already to late and it will have loaded?

>>Thanks for the replies but I think I answered it myself, I've just returned .F. in the init() of the appropriate pages.
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>>>Caroline
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>I think, controls on the page still go through their Init even if you return .f. in page Init.
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>You can design container with page controls for all pages and add these containers in the run-time. That's called delayed instantiation and I used this technique in few projects...