HI Mark - I have been using Mere Mortals for several years now. When I moved from 2.6 to VFP 5.0, I not only had a learning curve with VFP but also with MM. Once I got through the rough spots, (my lack of understanding OOP and VFP), a lot of things came together. Any commercial framework will have short comings. I have found MM to fit my needs very well. There just hasn't been anything I wanted to do, that couldn't be done with it. I would like to see a stronger or more robust sample app with it, but overall the documentation is quite good. I have several apps out in the fields, as I am an independent developer, and they all are done with MM I am looking a ta couple of others to round out my knowledge and do some blending of functionality and expand my skills. I don't think you would go wrong with MM. HTH Tom