Bhavbhuti,

>Okay I get it. I have this form and pageframe in it. I just need to move any and all controls on the form itself. Move the pfg and all it's stuff will move along with it.

Yes, you only have to iterate the form controls, you do not need to drill down inside any of them.

>Is there a way to find out the width that will be required by a given VFP-Skin. The idea is I develop a straight form, but allow the user to specify a skin. If a skin is specified enlarge the form for the skin widths ans shift controls.

I don't use skins, personally I think they are meaningless eye candy. *g* I actually don't work on apps where there's any real use for skins.