You're welcom. BTW, you can get the same result with

form.otoolbar.Move(55,55)

>Great Many Thanks Sergey, I had tried 1 to 5 (w/ errors) but -1 was all it took. I followed it with
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form.otoolbar.top = 55
>form.otoolbar.left = 55

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>and voila it moved. Now I will try coordinating the position in the form.activate.
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>>You can undock toolbar by moving it outside of the docking area or pass - to the dock method.

oTbr.Dock(-1)