Will,

>Damn man, does the UT pay Sergey and you? ;-)

I just don't have a life. *L*

>I didn't describe the problem correctly...

Are you adding the internal pageframe at runtime? If I drop a pgf on a form and set to some paricular height/width/top/left and change the TabOrientation through it's possible values the height/width/top/left do not change at all.

If it's at design time aren't you fully setting all of the properties of the internal pgf in the designer?

>In my case, when the tab position is set to Left the pageframe sizes itself without including the tab height but the page positioning (the page top) is as if the tabs were there...
>
>Setting my element container on the each page to the design-time height in the INIT method fixed the problem for me. There is definitely something wrong with the rendering of the page.
>
>

>FOR EACH loPage IN THIS.PAGES
>  loPage.pgfElement.HEIGHT = 311 && Design-time Height
>ENDFOR
>

>
>I first tried the below code in the INIT of the pageframe with no luck.
>
>

>THIS.Height = 313  && Design-time Height
>THIS.Resize()
>DODEFAULT()
>