>We just had a job offering for Southern California for VFP programmers – at $28 an hour or about one half what it takes to support a family.

I'm sorry WHAT? $58,000 a year won't make you rich... but, you don't need to live in a 5000 sq foot house and drive a BMW either. DAMN, I am glad I don't live in SO california or I'd be living in a car I guess.

I think part of the problem is so many people in this country live ABOVE their means, are loaded with debt cause they bought things they HAD to have then put them in their garage.

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