>There aren't any advantages in creating everything programatically and there are many disadvantages in doing so. VFP was created to make use of visual tools. By avoiding these tools you are creating extra work for yourself and a headache to boot. If you really want to look at some code, you can always use the class browser and view the code from there. Note: I am talking about using VFP's visual tools, not VFP's wizards, which are good for quick down-and-dirty apps, but practically useless for any large app. > >The only time I can concieve of creating classes programatically are for things like creating dataenvironment classes or grid column classes, which can't be done visually. > I can see where the tools provide a much faster way of developing an app and I certainly wouldn't want to develop an entire app with hand-coding unless it was an incredibly small app. I guess my question is, if there is a tool to do the job, why do some people still hand-code stuff at all? Let's just limit the discussion to subclassing a control. Is the hand-coded version any more efficient? Do the tools add a lot of extraneous stuff that would slow things down?