Thanks for the info Paul. Yes, personally, my choice would be VFE but my coworkers are leaning towards CodeMine. Even though I have the most experience with VFE, I'm always open to learning new tools if it will be beneficial in the longrun. I'm also comfortable with the idea of learning a new framework since I have already learned one in the past easily. Not having used a framework themselves, my coworkers are basing their decision right now on the wiki comparison chart (that definitely needs to be updated by each framework company) and the trial download available of CodeMine (which there is none for MM and VFE). Ideally, a side-by-side demo of all three would be available.

>>developers interface. Has anyone actually seen or used the frameworks
>>I've mentioned and willing to provide their personal experience with them all? Pros and Cons of each personally? Since a choice of a framework really boils down to personal preference, that is all I am asking. I have experience with one, but to be fair, all must be reconsidered in light of new capabilities during the last 2 years. Anyone in
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>I've used both MM and Maxframe, and still prefer MM's. Maxframe, although capable, definitely feels like it comes with a lot of baggage from previous versions. From one perspective, it could be argued that it works around a lot of weird VFP glitches (which is good), but from another it makes tracing through code more difficult. Let's just say I'm not a fan of it. The last version I used also didn't support N-tier design out of the box, although that has supposedly been addressed by the later versions. The docs for the later versions of Maxframe are also a lot better than the older versions.
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>MM was designed to support n-tier apps (and feels like it), is OOP, is fast, and can easily switch/mix and match between backends. It also has an excellent manual. There isn't a VFP 8 version out yet, though. I haven't had much trouble extending the framework (although there isn't an I-Layer like in VFE; a few of us have asked for one in the next version). One potential downside (and upside) is that Kevin is the only developer on it, which means no updates unless he has time. The upside is that the entire framework has a consistent look-n-feel to it, which I find makes it easier to understand.
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>I've played with Codemine and it seems like a decent framework. I definitely haven't done anything more than "play", though, so I'm probably not the best person to take advice from on it. It did have some cool things in it, though.
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>I know a lot of people that are using VFE and are very happy with it. I don't think you could go wrong if you went this route. Way back when I was looking at frameworks (a few years ago now), the demo available was, honestly, pretty bad. It was slow and crashed a lot. The later versions, from what I understand, are a LOT better. Since you're already familiar with the framework, this might be the best way to go, since you won't have the learning curve of a new/different framework.
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>When I was originally looking at frameworks, for what I wanted, the clear choice was MM's. If I were to buy one today, it would be a toss up between MM's and VFE.