>I don't know of anyone that hand-codes unless, as I said, it is for something that VFP doesn't support, such as visually subclassing the dataenvironment or a grid column. The tools don't add any extraneous stuff. To see this, just look at the code from the class browser. Thanks, Michael. Gary J. Sibio Mr. Travel, Inc. >>> Please Mr. Gates, can we have our computers back? <<<