>>You have to wonder how desperate someone is that they would be prepared to train the Indian successors to their own job. What an insult! My notice would be submitted within seconds, and any Systems / Business knowledge would be out the door just as soon as my contract permitted.
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>I agree. It's times and news like this that make me at least partially glad I chose the fed gov't for the last job I took (not thinking at all about outsourcing at the time, 12 years ago - mainly just the benefits and stability during bad economic times around 1990). But I did get ensconced in a position that's very difficult to outsource, that part I've been planning for some years now.
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>But of course the Bush (and Clinton, as well) administration is trying to outsource everything in government thing they can, so I have to be concerned now too. And I'm not saying the Bush people intend to directly outsource gov't jobs to non-US citizens, but it's gonna work out that way to some degree, and we all know it.
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>One more comment: I mean no offense to anyone, and the individuals I speak of were very likable people, but I should've known what was coming 15 years ago, when my Grad School class was more than 50% from India, on various corporate scholarships (very sharp tech/math students they were, too), and they planned to go back and train others in India after receiving degree, after learning US way of life, etc...I feel like an idiot now for not seeing all this coming back then...not that I could've done anything about it.

Bruce;

The government in India had a plan to educate its young people. In 1969 most of the electronics engineering students in my school were from India. Perhaps in part that is why 90% of the employed electronics engineers in Silicon Valley are from India. I am sure those employed are the sons of the students I went to school with. :)

So from what I have seen first it was electronics engineering and then computer science that was the focus of the government of India.

Even today our fearless leaders (Bill Gates a few days for example) were insisting American college students should go to school for high tech. Why? I tell every young person I know do not do it! Find a real job!

I remember when I was 15 in 1957 and Sputnik was the topic. President Eisenhower was on the television telling the youth of America to go to college and be a scientist or engineer. So I became an engineer and worked on the LEM/Apollo projects among many others. For what? Where is the future?

As long as the money, challenge, and emphasis is there, all is well. High tech is too volatile and subject to market whims, changes in laws, corporate greed, political changes, and do not forget the constant changes.

The possibility of remaining within your chosen career field in high tech is very difficult! Look at computer science and how it has changed over the years. Consider where it will be in 45 years then it is time for today’s college students to retire? Computer science may not exist! If it does it will be very different and the PhD of today will be very obsolete – just like a brick! Those with BS or MS degrees will be serving burgers and qualified for nothing else.

What I see from high tech is they squeeze all the creativity and innovation out of you, discard you and then shout, “NEXT”! Keep that line moving boys and girls! We are only a production line of high tech workers.

Consider yourself as if you are nothing more than a car or truck on the manufacturing line. When your moments on the production line are over then what? It can be very lonely at the end of the line!




Tom