You can put "Add New" button next to the grid so user could add the first record.

>Thanks for your help. I haven't fooled around with grids as much as I would like to, thanks for your help.
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>If the view in the grid is empty how can I add a new record and make it work like if the view was not empty?
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>The downarrow will not add a record to an empty grid, but it will if the grid was not empty to start with.