Ok, "Dr. Gorin",

First, I'm not a girl, just to let you know since I noticed you were mistaken. I don't mind baby steps and I understand the importance of them, but for the 9 yr old, I don't clean their room for them, or even still there the whole time telling the 9 yr old what exactly to do. I have a 5 yr old, so I understand that and have a little experience with baby steps.

You seem to be missing my point, It isn't that Bonnie and I or anyone really minds answering questions (BTW I'm not an MVP, I'm just a KVP "kinda valuable professional" :D)... The point is the hand-holding is what gets old. You first question about visualization of DataSets was totally legitmate, it is just when you continue on, w/ some of the simple questions, instead of even "TRYING" it yourself first, even just trying it once. That is what gets frustrating to myself, I don't know if i speak for anyone else.

Maybe you just walked at the wrong time, and that was the problem. I will still answer your questions, if you would just try first before you ask that would be enough.

Morgan
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>Thank you Morgan for IE tip.
>Hopefully VS.net will evolve with a dataset browser. Yes, you must crawl before you can walk. But many years of clinical practice have taught me a very important lesson. It goes like this:
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>When our babies are still in the crib, we applaud the simplest of movements and efforts. We intuitively understand that they have to turn over on their back before they are able to get up on their knees. When they pull themselves up on the crib rails we call grandma and grandpa and everyone oohs and aahs and throws kisses. But as the years go by, we kind of loose our tolerance for the baby steps. We forget that the simplest of tasks are made up of many small efforts. For example: ask a 9 year old to clean up his room. When it is not done we get all mad and crazy. But think about it. When that 9 year old walks into the messy room, he is confronted with laundry, shoes, sneakers, an un-made bed, books, etc. The 9 year old does not know where to start. We forgot all about the baby steps. We forgot about all of the little accomplishments that have to happen before he can concur that messy room. Well, it's kind of the same for .net and me. Morgan, I think you kind of lost your
>tolerance for the little baby steps that an old fart like me has to take before I can program in a new language (c#). I was originally a dBase programmer. Moved onto FoxPro and then Visual Foxpro. A lot of my work involves creating vfp business object COM components that enable me to maintain vfp databases over the Internet. I am very excited that vs.net came along. I dig the one design surface, the ease of web forms design and web service creation. The ado.net model is a little hard to swallow for a vfp programmer. I am very intimidated by the learning curve. But with MVPs like you and Bonnie, exhibiting lots of tolerance, I know that it will all start to make sense soon enough. Please accept my apology for messing with your day. Hopefully I will start to stimulate intelligent threads in the near future. But until then, please be mindful of the baby steps that one has to take in the formative years. I look forward to meeting you on the universal thread real soon. I have been
> in the FoxPro forum of the universal thread for many years. Asked lot's of simple, stupid questions and always received advise and sample snippets of code. Moving over to the .net forum was a big move and to have my head handed to me so soon was a little ruff. I guess I am playing with the big boys now.