Lisa-

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>I asked what version of Fox last night thinking that perhaps that mattered because I didn't see what relevance the txtbtns class had to what the application wizard generates. IOW, the toolbar I get doesn't have an exit button on it. This and your follow up information tells me that you've customized the code that the app wizard generated, probably extensively.
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>Not necessarily. He has probably added a form generated by the Form Wizard and is talking about that exit button.

Yes, so I was attempting to find out.

>this is perfectly legal in the framework -- as is adding any other sort of form you want, whether wizard-connected or not.

Naturally.

>FYI:
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>Luckily Lisa has weighed in and is familar with the wizard
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>I am not all that familiar with the wizard, or the specialized project hook object although I provided a lot of the generating code used in them <s>.

My mistake.

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>Very familiar with the framework, however. Assuming we are talking about 6 and 8, not 5.
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>The problem with the app wizard is that it comes with VFP for free, so documentation and peer support isn't as extensive as you'd get with a 3rd party framework.
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>Yes this is true. But the problem with the app framework delivered with VFP is *not*, as other people have suggested here, that it is some kind of toy or written by somebody who doesn't deliver apps for a living <s>.

I don't think I implied anything of the sort, and if I did inadvertantly, I apologize. If others did, I trust you'll take up that point with them.

>The app framework in VFP7 and 8 exists for a couple of reasons:

(snipped interesting background info)

>You might want to take another look.

I wouldn't discourage anyone from taking a look at the application wizard or VFP framework as a learning tool. This is independent of my opinion of frameworks in general, or any particular framework.

>The very-decoupled nature of the framework means that it isn't really all that hard to figure out how it works.

Well, in this we'll have to agree to disagree. I think frameworks, any framework that is robust is at least somewhat difficult to grasp, especially if one is new too OOP or VFP. One that doesn't have an obvious getting started path (perhaps there is one I'm ignorant of) is additionally difficult.

>All the intelligence resides in the application class which does *not* assume that you've used all the other supplied bits and pieces. (even the _framewk.vcx ones).

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>I sympathize. It's a hard way to learn a framework.
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>Then you might want to take a look at this
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>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnfoxgen/html/appfrmwk.asp

I hope and trust you've pointed the KB article out to Jim, the original poster. It would seem to be a good resource for him. I'm happy to know of it, however, and will keep it in mind whenever I might try to help with a framework or wizard question.