[brutal snip] >-Open "object browser (F2)" >-Find xlcharttype >-Browse members (names such as xlBubble3deffect) >-Value shows beneath the window > >VFP says they're in xlconst.bas in Office developer kit. >Cetin This reminds me of my first contact with M$'s software, some twelve years ago (CP/M Cobol, I think) - the User Manual was probably written by a news reporter, because it said almost nothing about almost everything. Whenever I needed some detailed info, it said "Programmers' referrence manual can be purchased ... part #... ISBN ....". And it's been their policy ever since.