> I think what you both are trying to do is say that one set of tools is more flexible than the other. I dont think you will ever reach a conclusion because basically it's all opinion.
>Maybe you need a set of judges. But then it becomes like the "sport" of ice skating. And the judge from montreal gives the VFP/DBF team a 9.9.

Rod, I agree. Which is why I began this thread saying:

"How do we proceed? Using the UT Member's critieria as a suggested guidelines for flexibility is obviouslly going to be biased. Do you have suggestions that can even out this bias?"

I think its been convincingly demonstrated however that John's simplistic debating style does not allow for this type of conversation to take place.