>You can get an MSDN Universal for less than that and get all the UML stuff and a whole lot more.

True, which is nice. However, if you've looked at C# builder and the way it is integrated with the UML design tool, you will see it is alot more than the VS.Net/Visio combo which each stand alone.

BOb

PS: But, to me, not worth the huge premium, espesially when you can find MSDN Universal for under $1k.