>>Not if you have properly constructed middle-tier components.
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>Then why didnt Microsoft build those components in.

They gave us the ability to write them. I am not saying things are perfect - they are not - no tool is. Nonetheless, it is not the difficult task some make it out to be.


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These sort of arguments go nowehere. .Net appears more verbose to me because it has more layers of abstraction in it. I had to create layers of my own in order to try and hide these layers.
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.NET has no more layers of abstraction in it than Fox. If you want to start working with the base classes, you can. If you want to create your own class libraries, you can. Things are definitely implemented differently - but that is a different issue than abstraction.


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If we need so much flexibilty in the datacentric enviroment most of us work in is a moot point.
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What is you point?


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I put up with .net because I can now write for the Web and that is important for me to feed myself :)
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Just curious, why didn't you select a fox-based solution?

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I am working in VB.Net and a very simple web form needs much more code for me to write.
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Perhaps the issues have more to do with the fact that you are new to .NET.