Hi John

First of all, I penetrated this thread in the same way you have penetrated most threads lately. I could have penetrated any other thread with my post, the target was to send a message to you. I did not want to make a seperate thread out of it. I even allow myself to take the credit for stopping another thread a week back, a thread which had the sole purpose of collecting reactions and feelings to your replies the last few months. (No thanks needed.) So it is definitively not only me and a few other, but that is not the point.

As usual you only read the words without getting the message. You may be intelligent, but you obvioulsy don't have too much of social intelligence. You may be intelligent, but you are not so very smart. From time to time you have some very good points, I will gladly applaud you for that. But....!

Who the he** gives you the right to say whatever you want without any reference, but demand proves from everyone else? This sentence is from one of your messages yesterday: 'Yes...I acknowledge there are people (a lot of people) that know more about .NET than I do. Nonetheless, I am fairly sure I have more knowledge than you on the subject - both academic and real-world.' Where is the proof? And it is not arrogant? And not patronizing? Please, reread the sentence you wrote and take a look at yourself in the mirror. Are you proud of yourself?

I see you want me to 'prove' that I really attended your session. For your info I have attended all of the last nine Advisor VFP devcons, starting in Phoenix. I do not have the session papers any more, but I seem to remember your session was about ADO which according to you was the future. (Does anyone still use ADO?) And 2004 minus 7-8 years is 1996-1997 in case you have forgotten how to substract. Is 1996-1997 compared to 1997-1999 to be 'off a bit'? I could have written 3-9 years, but I tried to be as accurate as I could remember.

You pride yourself with a long CV. Good, very good for you. I also have a long CV, and I probably have worked with computers longer than you have been alive! I started to 'play' with computers in 1959, and have programmed full time since 1973. I have programmed extensivily in Assembly, Cobol, Simula, Pascal, Basic, Forthtan, Prolog, C, Delphi, SQL and xBase. Plus some other languages, but not so extensively. Many of these langauges were supposed to be 'the future language'...!

Are you having a ball patronizing other people and their meanings? Does it make you happy making other people unhappy or unsecure? Have you ever heard about the word respect? Is so, why don't you have any respect for other people's meanings? Who the heck are you, do you have a looking glass into the future? Or are you the allmighty? Or are you just guessing because you are so da**ed clever to see the trends? In many situations VFP is the perfect tool. Period!! In many situations VFP is NOT adequate. Period! VFP may survice or it may not! Period. End of that discussion!

Cobol was rumoured to vanish from the earth twenty years ago, but there are still MILLIONS of users for THOUSANDS of applications written in Cobol.

I will give you one example of an application where VFP probably is the best solution. For one of my companies I have made an 'electronic catalogue' which is a CD we send to all our 4000 customers. The CD contains the application plus about 10 DBFs plus roughly 65000 pictures. With the application our customers can easily find the correct produts, make an order and send as a web service to my company. The biggest DBF has 620,000 records and is 30MB, piece of cake for VFP. Can you give me any reason to even consider another programming language? No, I don't want to hear. We have confirmation from our customers that about 4000 customers use the application every day. In Norway we have a population of 4.5 million people, so how many custom applications have 230,000 users in USA? And without any need for technical support whatsoever?

By the way, I am in the camp where people respect other people, and where people build each other up and don't tear each other down. It is incidentally also the camp where people get the help they they ask for, and don't get 'help' from some smarta** selfdeclared guru on topics they have not asked for help about.

I know that you are studying to be a lawyer. Why don't you hit for the jackpot and go for becoming a lawyer? You have already a long experience in that field!

Whoever has the longest or most 'important' CV is irrelevant, but I am simply not willing to allow myself to sink to your level. I really pity you.


NB! This is my absolutely last message on this subject. I ask you again to realize that other people also have the right to have their own opinions, and that many people simply don't want to hear you important bull$hit.


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>I respect your meanings and your forcasts for the future, but why the f**k must you tell us 'idiots' over and over and over again what fools we are who don't agree with you, and how perfect and smart you are since you have seen the light.
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>Let's review. The originator of this thread is asking for career advice and further, is asking if HIS theories make sense. I concured with his opinion and said as much. NO WHERE - will you find in my response to him where I call you or anybody else a fool. He is asking about HIS situation - and I responded. IMO, if one is proficient in Fox, and you see the well drying up or dried up - then it makes ZERO sense IMO to invest in the product - whether it is training, exams, conferences, etc. That is my opinion and one that you clearly disagree with.
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>If you want to be educated about it and disagree, then disagree with the point in such a way that you don't attack the person. I don't really care if you attack me personally because 1 - I can take it and 2 - it is you that ends up looking foolish.
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>I guess you are also religious and dislike gay people?
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>Talk about coming out of "left" field here. No, I am not particularly religious. I have my beliefs - but I don't force people to have my beliefs. Your attack here is 100% besides the point.
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>Oh, and by the way, there is a close relative in my family who is gay. For the record, I have no problems with homosexuals.
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>I have seen your kind before. Arrogant is not a word to cover your feet. Actually I attended one of your classes at a devcon 7-8 years ago, but it was not until a day or two ago I discovered this when I went through my sessions notes. I remeber that you were agood teacher, but you also were very arrogant, there were many opinions about the subject you taught, but only your opinion was right. I also remeber that I promised myself that I should not go to any of your sessions anymore, but since you did not speak at the next devcons, I forgot your name.
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>Well this is convienent - isn't it?? The first devcon I spoke at was in 1997. The last was in 1999 - so your dates are off a bit. By the way, which session was it?
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>Personally, I think you are interjecting some hindsight bias here..
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>Many here at UT tell you over and over and over again that we don't want to hear your 'most valid and extremely important' comments because we simply are too stupid to see the light ourselves.
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>Actually, it is only a handful of you. But understand that people like you are not my intended audience. And FWIW, I am not trying to convert anybody. Rather, I try to give an opinoin that is informed and that balances the discussion.
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>It is interesting that in this thread, you chose not to give advise to the thread originator. Why don't you give him your advise?
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>We want to keep on wearing our blinds and walk over the edge when MSFT maybe sometimes in the future will discontinue VFP. But we want to do so WITHOUT you telling us how stupid and blind we are. You simply can not stop us, we are believers, and we want to stay believers.
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>Who is We? I see you speaking for yourself here - not for a large group of people. Understand that people like you are a vast vocal minority. Most people are reasonable and evaluate opinions from all sides and make up their own minds. These reasonable people tend not to be whiners, complainers, and flat out cry babies. These reasonable people value and respect the right of others to express an opinion - even if it is different than their own.
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>Do you have any comprehension how foolish you make yourself when you blast back with off topic comments about me being in effect - a "gay basher"???? Any point you hoped to make is invalidated. And as a consequence, you really cannot be taken seriously.
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>If you were a VFP guru a few years back, and managed to switch over to .NET, MSQL, Oracle or whatever it is, who says that we idiots are not able to switch over when time is ready?
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>There you go again labeling yourself as an idiot - or asserting that I say you are an idiot.
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>The idiots Tore are the ones who attack me for expressing my opinion without debating the points. The idiots are the ones who go for the ad-hom attacks instead of addrssing the point itself. The people who are not idiots are the ones who engage in a rational discussion - who don't take things personally -who don't bit back with off the wall and off-topic comments like you did above.
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>Tore - which camp are you in? Or perhaps better put - do you wish to change camps?
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>Maybe .NET also is dead by then, maybe SQL is dead, and we can jump directly into the technology of the future without wasting time on whatever is most popular now?
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>This is a common myth by those in the extreme vocal minority - that I advocate people jump to the latest and greatest. To review, SQL Server has been around a while. .NET has been around for 2 years now. I advocate that people keep their options open, explore, evaluate, but most of all, learn. And when I say learn, I am not talking just 0's and 1's. I am talking about the business realities of the day.
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>In the end, if people continue to use VFP and make a living - good for them. My goal is help those VFP developers who cannot find VFP work - and have to move on.
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>By the way, I guess you drive your own personal 80 seats bus to work because you realize that sometimes in the future your family won't fit into your sedan? And your house is a 10000 sqft building to be on the safe side?
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>Actually, I drive a Volvo S60 and my house is only 3K square feet.
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>One second note. Please, please take small break and a cup of coffee and read through the messages you have sent the last few days. If you still don't understand why many here at UT think you are an arrogant a$$hole, you have a very big problem!
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>Actually, you need to sit back, relax, and not personalize things so much..