>Tracy,
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>But then you must be dealing with controls that are not bound to the table, because the table has to be opened by the DE or by form.Load() so that the controls can bind as they instantiate.
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>Form.Init() happens after all the controls.Init()s have fired.
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>In general all a container's Init() fires after all of it's contained objects are instantiated and ready to go, so the container can talk to it's kids and hopefully get a meaningful dialog established, but you know kids don't always listen to their parent. *g*

Well, what do you expect from kids who have only one parent?

And the parents get to have kids before they had a chance to do anything about it. Some sort of weird conception is happening here :).