Ok we agree.
Besides, most good code monkeys make great analyst and project designers.

BTW, I think JVP is sometimes dog piled on for no reason.



>But most of us are developers. Ever tried to get a C++ job and all you know is FoxPro or vise versa?
>No - but I have convinced two companies that the task they specified for C++ could be done with VFP - service the requirement as well (or better) at a lower cost and faster delivery
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>I guess my point is, in the real world you better have what the employers are looking for
>Some employers are looking for increased and sustained production at level or lower costs.
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>I remember a line from The Right Stuff. Something about how NASA regarded the astronauts as an entity that could be replaced by monkeys (er, well chimps actually).
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>If one is inclined (or needs) to go with what they perceive will be the best career choice, very well. But don't let the vendor make us out to be code monkeys. Don't allow the vendor to lower the user's expectations, and then force a no brainer scripting engine on us, commoditizing us, relegating us to script monkeys - and not giving us the tools to develop slick compeditive interfaces. I like being a "cottage industry" developer!
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>If the vendor wants to pay us to write systems with whatever script flavor they offer this month, then that is another issue.
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>Also, understand - that VFP will work in 90% of the market. Enterprize is maybe 10% of the market. Mom and pop - 90% of the market - don't need expensive and support thick enterprize solutions. VFP will do them fine!
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>>>Don't forget JVP - people are buying you and not your tools. Over emphasizing the importance of the tool de-emphazizes your role. Of course the big SW vendors want us to feel like we're nothing unless we promote the latest greatest this that or the other they push on us, and burn the company's cash for the seminars - I say, within the realm of application development kits, that we are in charge of what they sell. We need to keep it that way. If we allow the SW vendors' propaganda to take root - eg: "You're obsolete if you're not using ACME Programming Tool", then we may as well just let the project development jobs go over seas[along] with the backend and boiler-room maintenance work.
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>>>ITS you JVP, not the .NET CD! Don't forget it!
>>>Don't let anybody tell you otherwise!
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>>>XXX