>>How do you come to the conclusion that this is a scam?
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>>I haven't seen the name of the Company so I can't tell that. Do you have additional information that could lead you to believe that this is indeed a scam?
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>>Like I said to Hilmar I don't really like that kind of approach but from what I understand they wanted to have bits of code.
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>>I really don't see how they could build an app from disparate pieces of PRG, SCX or FRXs.
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>>Times are tougher than they used to be in IT world. Demands like those that are made would have been rejected by the vast majority just a few years ago. But now it's a different ball game.
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>Who was right? I think the vast majority a few years ago. Isn't the UT one of the places where 'we' should tell each other to resist such pressures?

That was then this is now. IT jobs are going to India and soon to russia and china. How do you compete with that? Principles will go out the door. You can afford to have principles when you make a good living not when you wonder how you're gonna pay the next bill. I think like you but we have to face facts and the abuse that comes out of those new situations.

>>Anyways It's up to Hilmar to decide what he wants to do next about that offer. Perhaps he won't continue further with that company but I'm sure others will.
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>>In the end it depends on how bad you need the job. If you can get along without one and you see demands that seem outrageous you continue to the next offer. If an offered job is absolutely needed do you really have the choice?
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>Yes. Or let me put it this way: Suppose the potential employer expects that you write a certain app beforehand and if he likes it, he'll hire you. Now reread your rhetoric question: If an offered job is absolutely needed do you really have the choice? Or suppose the potential employer wants you to kiss his hand before even considering hiring you. If an offered job is absolutely needed do you really have the choice? Or ...

And perhaps the worst is yet to come. Salaries, work conditions, work hours. Nowadays who can say that they have regular work hours. By that I mean 9 to 5. More and more it looks like. You begin your work days with things to do. The work day finishes when you finish your work. If by any chance you finish what you had to do before 5 then you try to take a lead on what you'll have to do tomorrow. Who are the ones paid for their overtime. Have their salaries increase year after year. By the way I'm still waiting for the leisure society promised during the 80's <vbg>


>Not only the employer must think it's a reasonable request, the employee too must think so. If you don't feel comfortable with the request, then don't neglect this feeling.
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>And we, as a community, must take a stance and make clear that it's simply an unreasonable request of this employer.

That can be done when the majority of a community makes a good living. When that condition is met they can protect the minority. This does'nt work when you reverse things and the minority - those trying to make a living - is bigger than the majority.