Also, John, if you want to make them squirm have them look at an independent authority, CETUS, and compare

http://www.rhein-neckar.de/~cetus/oo_visual_basic.html

to this

http://www.rhein-neckar.de/~cetus/oo_visual_foxpro.html

You're basically arguing with the unenlightened. Sold a bill of goods, yep.