These only seem to work on the menu pad and on popups. I am trying to find out what the menu items below user defined menu pads are. It seems there are no built in discovery tools to give you the items of the menu pad popups since the popups are undiscoverable unil they are instantiated which does not happen until a user clicks on a menu pad.

>lOOK AT GETPAD(), CNTPAD(), GETBAR() AND CNTBAR(). That should help you get started.
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>>How can I get a list of all the menu bars for each menu pad on the active menu? I can find the pads, but not the menuitems defined for each pad.