All these get me are the menu pad items, not the items below the pads or the submenu items. Some of these work with popups, but the popups do not exist until the menu pad is activated.

>lOOK AT GETPAD(), CNTPAD(), GETBAR() AND CNTBAR(). That should help you get started.
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>>How can I get a list of all the menu bars for each menu pad on the active menu? I can find the pads, but not the menuitems defined for each pad.