Tracy,

I think you meant aren't?

At this point it's momentum. *L* It's been like that since VFP3 and changing it would potentially hose some apps.

It really is definative proof for the concept that you should have your own layer of subclasses of the VFP Baseclasses that you use everywhere so that you can "fix" what you consider to be "poor" design choices of Microsoft. *g*

>I was just lurking and one thing I have always wondered (well since VFP8 was released anyway <g>) is why are labels by default set to transparent?