Fabio, thanks for the reply.

>You can control the position with
>Send to back : send the object to the first left position
>and
>Bring to Front : send the object to the first right position.

Your suggestion makes life easier in terms of positioning spacers between buttons, but I still have the problem of what I see when I close the toolbar designer not being the same as when I reopen the designer.

Regards,
Alan