Hi Tamar,

>>I don't agree with all Fabio is proposing either or issues he sees as problems, but one thing for sure, he thinks a lot more about issues and VFPs weaknesses than I've seen a lot of prominents do up here.

>I'm not getting into the middle of the whole argument, but I do want to confirm David's response to this. I've never reported a bug using the UT and am likely ever to do so. I have more direct, more effective ways to report bugs.

Direct ways, we as mortal VFP programmers don't have?

>Also, while I agree that Fabio has certainly uncovered many bugs in the time he's been here, I can assure that there are others who are as productive or more so in finding bugs.

Personally I find this a sad situation. the VFPT does not produce a (complete) list of confirmed and unconfirmed bugs. If everyone was to post their bug findings here on the UT then EVERYONE could at least be notified of the bug. This might reduce the chance that people tracking the same bugs over and over again. Also, since the UT is interactive other people could jump in and provide additional information or possible workarrounds.

The first thing I do when I encounter a possible bug is to search on the UT and/or google to see if the bug has been spotted before and for possible workarrounds. If everyone is posting their bugs privately there is no way of doing that, increasing the number of cases where much time is lost to identify already known bugs and searching for possible workarrounds.

In that light, I don't really care about the formal description of the bug. At least then I as a VFP developer know of the bug and if there are questions left, I could ask the one who posted the bug for additional information and with the help of the VFP community search for a solution. In the past I've posted quite a few bugs regarding grids this way where there was communication between me and the VFP team to track certain bugs of which one or two were difficult to reproduce and were depended on fuzzy conditions. But in the end the bug was confirmed, just because there was bidirectional communication.

In this respect I find the current accepted way of posting bugs directly to MS a bad one. There is no way for another developer hitting the same bug, to know if the bug has reported before. If he knows, then he probably won't post it again, reducing workload for the VFP team.

My 2 cents.

Walter,